My ex says he loves me but won't leave his current situation...
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I met Doug when he had been separated from his wife for 4 months. After separating from his wife, he started seeing an old high school friend, Sherry, actually she was his high school crush, that he never dated in high school. She was always a good friend of his, knew his feelings for her but never gave him the time of day, as he put it, "he was dropped in the friend zone" in high school, she dated several of his close friends and every time she would break up with one of them, she would come back and hang out with Doug until she started dating someone else. When I met him, he was seeing her but according to him and his best friend, she saw him when it was convenient to her. She wasn't interested in sex, they hardly ever kissed and what they had in common was drinking and listening to music. So for the first month I knew him, we were just friends, we talked a lot, met for drinks a few times but never crossed the line of friendship, even though it was obvious to both of us that we were developing feelings for each other, he wouldn't do anything until he knew what was going to happen with Sherry.
After a month, I knew that my feelings were moving beyond friendship and Doug felt so too. Seemed like things happened for a reason, Sherry called him one night and told him she wanted to break up so she could get back together with an ex. So Doug and I started dating exclusively and fell in love. We were together as much as possible, talking and texting all day long, every day. He became a member of the family with me and my 3 kids. He was so hands-on, loved my kids, attended all athletic events for my kids. We had a very active sex life, both of us were very satisfied. After we had been together 3 months, Sherry contacted him and started texting him telling him that she made a mistake and missed him. He said he became confused, he was in love with me but she was this person he had wanted so much 20 years ago and that he felt that he needed to see what would happen with her, as it was unresolved. He said that since he had only been separated 8 months and had even considered seeing her again, he felt that things were happening too fast and he needed to see what would happen.
So he started seeing Sherry again, but continued to talk to me and tell me how torn he was. Obviously, Sherry was very jealous of me since she saw how happy Doug and I were together, she knew that we had fallen in love. So she started insisting on him cutting me out of his life. He went through the motions but continued to talk to me. He hurt me with his actions so I cut off contact with him and after a few weeks I started talking to a new man, I never stopped thinking of Doug but the new man was a distraction for the hurt. After not talking for a while, Doug contacted me and apologized for things that happened, wanted to know how I was. I was pretty cold towards him and he asked if I was seeing anyone, I told him I was and he basically freaked out. He wanted to see me, so I met him at a fast food restaurant to hear him out. He told me that he felt he had made a mistake, had chosen the wrong path. I was hesitant about taking him back, I didn't want to get hurt again. He said he would do whatever he needed to do to get me back. After talking for about a week and a half, I insisted that he needed to break up with Sherry. He was very upset, said he needed to do this in his time and couldn't break up with her. Once again, I got hurt. After 2 weeks, he contacted me again, he came to see me, said he wasn't happy but still wouldn't leave. He still kept saying that he was just trying to figure things out. Sherry had leased an apartment and wanted him to move in with her, so he did. When he separated from his wife, he moved in with his parents, while his wife stayed in the house until the house sold. So after 9 months of being separated and living with his parents, I think he jumped at the opportunity to move out of his parents' house. Not to mention, he was responsible for paying the mortgage on the house he owns with his wife and Sherry is paying all the bills in the apartment, so he is living rent free. Sherry also changed jobs, took a huge pay cut to be able to spend more time with Doug, so everytime he talked of leaving she would hold that over his head, along with the apartment so she was guilting him into staying. Like their relationship the first time around, what they do together is drink and listen to music. I have repeatedly tried to be understanding because I know what it's like to have this high school crush that you just need to get out of your system. I also know what it feels like to come out of a long relationship, I know he needs to find his way on his journey through this.
To make a long story short, Doug continued to contact me and tell me how much he loved me and missed me and us. He repeatedly told me that he wished he never would've opened the door with her again. Not only did he tell me this but he told his best friend, who also is a great friend of mine. His friend and I would talk about Doug quite a bit, we are both concerned about him, how much he's drinking and the fact that he doesn't seem happy. He constantly talked of leaving her and coming back to be with me again. He said he never stopped loving me, and always wanted to be with me, just didn't know about his feelings for Sherry. He said being with me was what he always wanted but some days he felt being with Sherry was what he wanted too, so he was torn in what to do. Sherry had given him the ultimatum that if he moved out or left that it was over so Doug was faced with a life changing decision of having a door closed that he wasn't sure he was ready to close. According to his best friend, Wyatt, he thinks Doug loves Sherry, but like the way he loves Wyatt, he says that he knows Doug is in love with me. Sherry and Doug are close friends, drinking buddies, if you will, but Doug is scared to walk away from that friendship. Doug told me and his best friend that he really didn't know how he felt about Sherry, he has been living with her for 6 months, yet doesn't know how he feels for her. I don't see how that's possible. He said some days he felt like he wanted to be there with her and some days he was ready to leave, it was a roller coaster. Yet, all along, he continues to say that loving me has never been in question, being with me is always what he wants, just needs to figure out what he feels for Sherry. He has said repeatedly that he needs to just follow his heart but he's scared of walking away from her since 20 years had gone by and she was a great friend. Wyatt has told me that Doug is in love with me but that he also feels that Doug is in love with the thought of being with Sherry, he also said that he thinks Doug is realizing that reality is nowhere close to the fantasy that he always had of being with her.
Right or wrong, Doug and I slept together several times during this time that he is struggling with what to do. The last time we slept together, Sherry found out about it because she went through his phone and found a text message that Doug had written to Wyatt telling him that we had spent the day together. So, once again Doug stayed with Sherry because he said he didn't want his relationship to end on those terms. At the time that she found out about us sleeping together, Sherry told Doug that if he talked to me or had any contact with me again that it was over between them. So 3 weeks went by, and once again Doug contacted me. I wasn't too receptive to talking to him, I told him that no contact was best until he was done with her. So for the next few weeks, he would send me text messages and I would ignore them, until finally he sent me a message about Wyatt, our mutual friend, and I responded because I was concerned for him. Once again, we started talking on a daily basis and really enjoyed each other again, we did not have sex, just talked. I hated not having him in my life so I thought talking to him would be easier but I quickly learned that talking to him during the day until he went home to her and over the weekend when I didn't talk to him at all was just too hard. I told him I needed to go back to no contact until he was ready to be us, so a week went by and then he contacted me again. We talked a few days and once again I told him I couldn't do this, cut off contact again, another week went by and he contacted me again. See a pattern here? He always initiates contact with me, even though he knows what he is risking if she would find out. Finally, one day I snapped, told him I couldn't do it anymore and that I had reached my breaking point, I had to let go so he could figure out his life because I had put my life on hold for 7 months waiting on him. I felt at peace with my decision, I missed him but knew that I was doing the right thing. Four days after telling him that, I went out with some girlfriends to a concert, drank a little too much and I texted him. Well, obviously texting him at night while he's with her is a big NO-NO, he was so ugly to me, sent me several messages telling me to leave him alone, that he loved Sherry. I know that she was reading his texts so I understand that he wrote a lot of those things because he was trying to do damage control since obviously she freaked out that I contacted him. Now Wyatt has told me that Doug is pretty mad at me, I guess because I rocked the boat for him and Sherry. Quite honestly, I believe I'm the one that should be mad, not him. He was always the one that initiated contact with me after I cut it off and he has strung me along for 7 months, yet he's mad at me? The day I told him I was letting go, he had told me how much he loved me, he wanted to have sex with me. I honestly believe that he does love me, but the fact that he has continued to hurt me over and over confuses me. How can you hurt someone you love? Is it because I have allowed him to treat me this way? He has told me and his friends that he is in love with me, I'm the one he wants to be with, yet there he is still living with Sherry. A few male friends of mine have told me that quite honestly he really doesn't have any incentive to leave, he's living with her rent-free, he's drinking and partying every night, has no responsibilities. And up until a week ago, he was still able to talk to me so he didn't have to make a decision. Now that I contacted him and rocked the boat with Sherry, he's mad at me and "committing" to her again. Even though, history shows that he can't commit to her because he loves me. He knows that. He has tried numerous times to commit to being with her and always contacts me. So how do I stop this vicious cycle? The consensus is that I need to just let go, physically and emotionally and I need to let him follow this through with Sherry. How long can a 40 year old act like a 20 year old? Wyatt thinks he is just having a mid-life crisis and that he needs to work through this. I need to let Sherry be the transition girl after his marriage, and let him sow his wild oats of partying and living it up. Wyatt told me once, that if he thought Doug would be happy with Sherry then that's where he would want him to be, but that he didn't think that. I guess it's easier to see things a lot clearer from the outside. Wyatt says he knows that life with me is where Doug wants to be even though Doug seems to be so confused. So would your advice be to walk away and let him figure things out on his own? I've been told that he can't see clearly since I've been in the equation, I need to take myself completely out of the equation so he can gain some clarity in the situation.
One response:
| . . . this man has you so wrapped up, you're making excuses for his detestable behaviour and you believe them. Sounds to me like he's using the both of you, and thoroughly enjoys the risk of the situation.
I'd drop him immediately. For good.
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Is Doug asking you to buy him a car, or support him financially, or pay for him to go on solo vacations without you? (Thats an attempt at some humor, doubtless in poor taste, but please read my thread http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relationships/should-buy-girlfriend-car-risk-things-being-over-491788.html on a gal who is somewhat like Doug who moved in with a previous flame after we got involved, is like a roller coaster, unhappy, living rent free where she is at, driving me crazy hurting me eventhough she says she loves me, etc......)
sound of static, the new amhp radio link loading.....
A man with untrimmed edges of his beard talking....
He sounds like someone who wants to be a patriarch and have two, maybe more women at the same time. Would you mind being a second wife?
Unfortunately Sherry isn't willing to choose you as a concubine, so this will be difficult to do according to the Old Testament.
Flipping channels....
Two bearded men in white haji robes discussing the benefits of Islam...
If Doug converted to being muslim, and she could be converted, and all of you were willing to move to a muslim country like Malaysia (Sherry could take another pay cut, but it is a lot cheaper to live there), Doug could have up to four wives. They would require him to split his paycheck evenly between both of you, and if he bought an apartment for one of you, he'd have to buy an identical one for you and the others. He would also have to split his time equally between all of you, and 5 prayers a day at the mosque.
Commercial for a Fabric Bazaar Have you tried wearing a burka? They are the very comfortable head coverings all muslim women must wear to cover their hair at all times. Try one today! Malaysian women are allowed to show their faces, and wear very colorful burkas. Also they must keep their arms and legs covered all the time. But they can wear very colorful dresses.
Back to the program.... Perhaps the ex-wife would be willing to relocate, so technically, she would be his first wife is #1, Sherry is #2, and you're #3. However muslims say that just like 3 horses in a field is not a good number, two will gang up on the remaining one, it is best to go on to add the fourth wife, thats a more stable number.
And there are other excellent locations.... If Doug has a skill that would would allow him to be a contractor in Saudi Arabia, that would be another good location to immigrate to, but you would have to wear a hijab, only black allowed, with just a slit for your eyes. You all could escape the 110 degree heat in Saudi Arabia and vacation with him in Malaysia where it is only 95, he gets to wear a nice unbuttoned sports shirt to show off his chest hair, while all of you wear your black bee keeper robes and head coverings.
Are any of your children daughters in their teens? They could wear heavy eye makeup to show through the slit in their hijab, and they would also be able to learn some of the most amazingly suggestive eye blinks.
Caller, do you have children, does Doug like children?
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| He became a member of the family with me and my 3 kids. He was so hands-on, loved my kids, attended all athletic events for my kids. |
I notice the kids come in act 3, and then don't appear any more in the 6 acts of this drama. We have no information on their ages, sexes. Why didn't anyone else notice this?
nervously flipping channels.....
Tail end of a trailer for Doug Calling Will the children appear in season two, or will they be written out of the script? Tune in and watch the spine tingling mid season episode where.....
Flipping channels some more....
Tuning into Dr. Laura: Your life must be centered on raising those three kids until they are 18, and nothing else. Your active sexual life is no reason to steal time from those children.
Dr. Laura continues: If you want a relationship with a man, you should invest in a relationship with your children's father. Hopefully they are all by the same man? Again, no clue yet....
Does Doug have any children?
Dr. Laura, before the commercial break.... And you mention
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| Doug and I slept together several times during this time |
And after he gives up on Sherry and eventually moves in with you, are you willing to allow him to have clandestine visits with Sherry? Or since Sherry might not do that, perhaps Doug discovers an old flame from his 15 year ago MacDonalds's job?
flipping channels again, gotta be some better advice...
Get Paranoid with Sam: Where's the father of your children? What would he think about your spending so much time and energy on a man like Doug?
Nowhere in your description do you seem to consider the effect on those kids of Doug's upset on you, or his ping-ponging in and out of their lives.
Do you think your children mention any of this to their father? Could your fixation on Doug make you do things that unfit you to continue with whatever custody you have of your children?
Flipping channels again, hmmm, a gothic looking set, what's this...
Prince of Darkness: Here's a possible strategy: Do you ever think if you got pregnant you could trap Doug into leaving Sherry?
Flipping channels again.....
Caller saying....
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| Do I need to let Sherry be the transition girl after his marriage |
Dr. Laura again.... And you are willing to be the rebound he recovers with after Sherry, before he gets back with his ex-wife?
Focus on your children.
Dr. Laura closing.... Now go and do the right thing....
Wow, multiple programs from several of the worlds religions, paranoids, and demons, all considering the dilema of the same caller..... Tune in daily to "The Relationship Zone"... do do do do do (creepy bouncy tune, a cross between Hitchcock and Twilight Zone themes)