A very inexpensive EPROM programmer from China often available on ebay.
pldprogrammer
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Posted - 01/26/2010 : 22:03:12 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I've used this programmer to program atmel EEPROMs no problem. I am trying to program an atmel ATF22v10c. It gives me an error when trying to blank. I am trying to program it with s .jedec file. I've chosen all the different atmel versions of the 22v10. Can anyone help?
clark_chen
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 11:55:43 Show Profile Visit clark_chen's Homepage Click to see clark_chen's MSN Messenger address Reply with Quote
Please contact: stgxiao@hotmail.com
He will help you.
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pldprogrammer
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 22:48:41 Show Profile Reply with Quote
Thank You, I will send email.
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Albert
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Posted - 04/28/2010 : 02:22:02 Show Profile Reply with Quote
There are a lot more problems with the Genius G540 universal programmer. Such as not to be able to test all of the 55 different Ram's stated in the device list.
And also the Edit window hangs up when using some uP in showing the same values while still scrolling the addresses.
Version 5.20 has that problem just as the previous versions that however won't work under Windows 7 !
Edited by - Albert on 05/02/2010 07:18:03
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 17:55:59 Show Profile Visit clark_chen's Homepage Click to see clark_chen's MSN Messenger address Reply with Quote
I'm very sorry, I also will contact: stgxiao@hotmail.com will your problem.
http://www.pic16.com/en/forums5/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=870
Per
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Posted - 05/28/2010 : 15:57:24 Show Profile Reply with Quote
I got my G540 yesterday.
I have tried to program eprom ST M27C4001 but can not blanck it. I get:
BlanckOperation: Error ****
Addr:0000000H Device:D9H
I get error message and it says it does sit in properly etc but it does.
I have UV erased it myself.
Same thing when I try to program a ATMEGA168 28 pin.
Cant blanck it. I get:
BlanckOperation: Error ****
Addr:0000000H Device:00H
What do I do wrong?
The eproms was brand new.
Is there a setting or something that I am missing.
Kind regards
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Posted - 05/31/2010 : 14:37:38 Show Profile Visit clark_chen's Homepage Click to see clark_chen's MSN Messenger address Reply with Quote
Can you try most other chip?
or Please try new version software: http://www.stg51.com/down/class/
- I bought one recently, but I am getting errors when trying to program 2764A EPROMs and 28C64A EEPROMs. It will program the 1st byte of the EEPROM, but not any bytes of the EPROM, before returning the error. This is halting my DIY tuning progress, as that is the size chip that I need to program. Other size chips seem to program OK. Do I have a defective unit?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:32 pm Post subject: g540 programmer programming ATF22V10C Reply with quote
Hello, I just purchased a g540 programmer which said it can program the Atmel ATF22V10C chip. I want an address decoder for a project I'm working on.
I found that I always get errors when attempting to program this file from the jedec file. It fails on the "BlanckOperation" (yes it is spelled that way in the software) or if I skip that step, it fails on the VerifyOperation. When I load what was programmed into the chip, it doesn't match what I told it to program and the chip doesn't work.
Any ideas on if this programmer is capable of programming this chip? If not, do you know of any cheap USB programmers that are capable? My budget is down $60 that I may have wasted on this programmer if it can't do it. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
You're not the only one to have problems with this Atmel IC with that G540 programmer. I have the exact programmer and had same problems with Atmel. Daryl here (8bit) recommends the Lattice equivalent, if you can find it...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
ElEctric_EyE wrote:
You're not the only one to have problems with this Atmel IC with that G540 programmer. I have the exact programmer and had same problems with Atmel. Daryl here (8bit) recommends the Lattice equivalent, if you can find it...
Thanks for the response. When I search Digikey, Lattice only has 1 device listed and you need to order 360 of them. It's a 16v8 too. Sad
I'm hoping there is a way to program the chips I have because when I searched these were the only ones I could find. It seems PAL/GALs are quickly becoming extinct.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
They also have the TI DIP version of the 22V10 for $6.70 ea. Not sure if it's compatible with the G540 though...
If you do wind up getting some let us know if they work...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is the list that they say is compatible:
PLD (GAL):
ATMEL========== nos=18
AT16V8
AT20V8 AT22V10 ATF16V8B AT16V8BL ATF16V8C
ATF16V8CEXT ATF16V8CZ ATF20V8 ATF20V8B ATF20V8BL
ATF20V8BQ ATF22V10 ATF22V10B ATF22V10BL ATF22V10CEXT
ATF22V10CQES ATF22V10CZ
LATTICE========== nos=16
GAL16V8
GAL16V8A GAL16V8B GAL16V8C GAL16V8D GAL20V8
GAL20V8A GAL20V8B GAL20V8C GAL20V8Z GAL20PV8
GAL22V10 GAL22V10A GAL22V10B GAL22V10C GAL22V10D
NS========== nos=9
GAL16V8
GAL16V8A GAL16V8B GAL16V8QS GAL16RA8 GAL20V8
GAL20V8A GAL20V8QS GAL22V10
SGS========== nos=13
GAL16V8
GAL16V8A GAL16V8B GAL16V8QS GAL16V8S GAL16V8AS
GAL20V8 GAL20V8A GAL20V8AS GAL20V8QS GAL20V8S
GAL22V10 GAL22V10A
THOMSON========== nos=1
GAL22V10
VLSI========== nos=6
VP16V8
VP16V8SL VP20V8 VP20V8QS VP22V10 VP22V10AS
**************PLD (GAL) Total: 63
TI isn't mentioned. But this list is suspect because items on this list don't appear to work. I don't know the protocol for programming these chips. Maybe I should look into it can come up with another way to program them.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:46 am Post subject: Reply with quote
No one, it seems, supports Atmel's GALs. My TOP 853 programmer "thinks" it can program them but nothing useful comes out. Stay away from Atmel's stuff if possible.
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jsissom
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:48 am Post subject: Reply with quote
This programmer programs the ATF16v8b. I programmed it successfully, but haven't tested the chip.
So it seems PAL/GALS shouldn't be used anymore. I'll go back to regular logic chips. That's too bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:17 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Do the specifications tell how to program it yourself? My first EPROM programmer was home-made, and my PIC programmer that I still use for production is too. (And yes the PIC programmer uses the workbench computer's D/A converter so it can test at the voltage extremes, so it is indeed production-worthy.)
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jsissom
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:19 am Post subject: Reply with quote
GARTHWILSON wrote:
Do the specifications tell how to program it yourself? My first EPROM programmer was home-made, and my PIC programmer that I still use for production is too. (And yes the PIC programmer uses the workbench computer's D/A converter so it can test at the voltage extremes, so it is indeed production-worthy.)
No. I spent 1/2 hour tonight searching google to find specs to program that chip and the only thing I found was that they could supply it if you contact them.
That most likely means you have to either pay or sign an NDA. I don't want to do either and if I did build my own programmer, I would want to open source it.
If you know of a document that explains it, I'd be grateful if I could see it to find out if I could make my own programmer.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:43 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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That most likely means you have to either pay or sign an NDA.
I would just tell them that your programmer (and apparent a lot of others) does not support their parts, and if they want you to buy from them, they will have to make it possible for you to use them.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:54 am Post subject: Reply with quote
jsissom wrote:
This programmer programs the ATF16v8b. I programmed it successfully, but haven't tested the chip.
Please re-read my last post. My programmer thinks it successfully programs Atmel GALs. However, they do not work. You will most likely discover the same thing.
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So it seems PAL/GALS shouldn't be used anymore. I'll go back to regular logic chips. That's too bad.
Not at all. Just don't use Atmel products. BTW, when I queried Atmel about whose burner would program their GALs I got no response. They seem to be an unfriendly bunch, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
There are Lattice and various other brand GALS on Ebay in DIP package for $2 on up.. I was following this because I just bought a TOP2005 programmer today for $20, So I could dump the eprom in my 6502 based robot arm and post it .. I also posted alot of hard to find info on the Top20xx Programmers on this thread.. If anyone needs help on the software..
http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?p=15833#15833
These devices found at Futurlec - No Brand Specified would probably have to Email them to get specifics.. Can buy in quantity of 1 http://www.futurlec.com/ICPAL.shtml
GAL16V8D-15LP GAL16V8D 15ns 64x32 AND Array $0.85
GAL20V8B-25LP GAL20V8B 25ns 64x40 AND Array $1.50
GAL22V10D-25LP GAL22V10D 25ns 132x44 AND Array $1.95
And now I am curious if the TOP2005 will program a GAL so I can alter the memory map on its board.. And I was looking at buying Atmel device till I started reading this thread.. Would Lattice or could someone give a brand that is known to work on these cheap china Programmers.. Has anyone had success with Lattice GAL's on a TOP2005 or its many siblings..
Question: Is there a universal freeware app to create the Jedec array configuration file to burn into a (Anything but Atmel) GAL.. Lattice wants you to get a 1yr licence for their software.. I downloaded Atmel WinCUPL, Is that OK to use with all Brands or is there better software available..
http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?t=1911&sid=e9a19a17c615e75827caffdd190a34e4
Free online course: basics of programmable logic
http://www.altera.com/education/training/courses/ORMF1000
Make sure you read carefully. There are a bunch of courses that say "free" and don't get the ones that say $495 unless you want to pay.
Curriculum: http://www.altera.com/education/training/curriculum/cpld/trn-cpld.html